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Comments on: Publisher, Editor, Author! Say “NO” to Returns from Bookstores http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/ Tendentious comments and cranky critiques by Lynne W. Scanlon P.E.A. (Publisher/Editor/Author) Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:09:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: Kirsten Brown http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-103901 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:16:58 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-103901 As old as this argument is, I still thought you should know that it's complete bollocks that bookstores in NZ don't return books. We have the same model here as you do in the US, with some publishers offering a sale or return policy and some firm sale only, with most offering a mix of both depending on the format of the book and whether it is frontlist or backlist. Even Macmillan over here accepts returns, although they are more strict than most. Anyway, I just thought I'd correct the misconception. You'll have to look for your book utopia elsewhere I'm afraid! As old as this argument is, I still thought you should know that it’s complete bollocks that bookstores in NZ don’t return books. We have the same model here as you do in the US, with some publishers offering a sale or return policy and some firm sale only, with most offering a mix of both depending on the format of the book and whether it is frontlist or backlist.

Even Macmillan over here accepts returns, although they are more strict than most. Anyway, I just thought I’d correct the misconception. You’ll have to look for your book utopia elsewhere I’m afraid!

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by: Kevin Watson http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-7927 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:25:45 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-7927 As a small press, we could easily be bankrupted if several bookstores ordered large numbers of books, then returned most when the invoice came due. Before we implimented our "no return" policy, we had a couple of larger bookstores order 50-100 books, of a couple of titles, then they sold what they could in three months and returned the rest. <strong>Our no return policy kept us from being forced out of business. </strong>There are pros and cons to each argument. Each publisher has to decide which policy works best, as does each bookseller. A no return policy is something we can live with. <strong><em>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): A publisher with guts! In New Zealand bookstores do not return books at all. Actually, it was <a href="http://charkinblog.macmillan.com/">Richard Charkin, CEO of MacMillan UK</a>, who mentioned that in one of his first postings on his personal blog. I left a comment in which I suggested he use his clout to institute the same thing with their books. NO RETURNS. A SALE IS A SALE, not a consignment. No answer. It's complicated, of course, and the bookstores have such a cushy deal now that they would fight a no-returns policy with everything they've got. That said, how much power do they have in their feeble fists against a MacMillan? Publishers in the US who have tried the no-returns policy in the past have folded under pressure.  Of course bookstores want to be able to take all the risk out of ordering books. And the poor author---literally and figuratively? All those reserves held against returns. Jeez. </em></strong> As a small press, we could easily be bankrupted if several bookstores ordered large numbers of books, then returned most when the invoice came due. Before we implimented our “no return” policy, we had a couple of larger bookstores order 50-100 books, of a couple of titles, then they sold what they could in three months and returned the rest. Our no return policy kept us from being forced out of business. There are pros and cons to each argument. Each publisher has to decide which policy works best, as does each bookseller. A no return policy is something we can live with.

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: A publisher with guts! In New Zealand bookstores do not return books at all. Actually, it was Richard Charkin, CEO of MacMillan UK, who mentioned that in one of his first postings on his personal blog. I left a comment in which I suggested he use his clout to institute the same thing with their books. NO RETURNS. A SALE IS A SALE, not a consignment. No answer. It’s complicated, of course, and the bookstores have such a cushy deal now that they would fight a no-returns policy with everything they’ve got. That said, how much power do they have in their feeble fists against a MacMillan? Publishers in the US who have tried the no-returns policy in the past have folded under pressure.  Of course bookstores want to be able to take all the risk out of ordering books. And the poor author—literally and figuratively? All those reserves held against returns. Jeez. 

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by: Tana McDonald http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2792 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:05:08 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2792 And, P.S.---<a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/15258030"><img title="My Photo" style="width: 95px; height: 124px" height="124" alt="My Photo" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4526/1862/320/HPIM0010.0.jpg" width="95" align="right" /></a> Charkin's viewpoint strikes me as both arrogant and antiquated. Who wants to depend on a bookseller to sell one's books? Booksellers provide an attractive venue for the transaction, period. They'll advertise as best they can based on their understanding of the product and on the publisher's promotional support. But Charkin's statement suggests that the publisher's work is done once the bookseller orders his books--what author wants to hear something like that? And, P.S.—My Photo

Charkin’s viewpoint strikes me as both arrogant and antiquated. Who wants to depend on a bookseller to sell one’s books? Booksellers provide an attractive venue for the transaction, period. They’ll advertise as best they can based on their understanding of the product and on the publisher’s promotional support. But Charkin’s statement suggests that the publisher’s work is done once the bookseller orders his books–what author wants to hear something like that?

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by: Tana McDonald http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2791 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:51:33 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2791 Lynne-- <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/15258030"><img title="My Photo" style="width: 77px; height: 126px" height="126" alt="My Photo" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4526/1862/320/HPIM0010.0.jpg" width="77" align="right" /></a> I still disagree with you, but your points are well taken. I,too, hate returns. you get big orders and you think "well, I've really got something here." You take it as a sign that your book is on the radar. Then most of the books come back. Why? You supply the answer yourself in other topics--the marketing savvy of the publisher, editor, and writer will reduce the number of trucks making their way to your warehouse with your books in tow. If you can get booksellers to order 80000 or more copies of your author's book, then you have work to do...and you better have an author who is willing to get off his/her arse to ensure those books are sold. Book promotion must start as soon as an author commits to an idea for a book. That's the kind of cover letter I want to see from an author, one that shows me he/she is already "targeting the intended readership" for her project. She knows where her readers are and has good ideas about how to reach them. she's profiled them to the extent that she understands what they want to buy from her. And she takes pains to prove it to me. This marketing savvy combined, of course, with a good book idea already reduces the number of return trucks on the road. Branding a book by generating design and jacket copy asap is another way to reduce returns. (and, yes, editors should let advertising experts write the jacket copy--ad people understand buzz words, know how to profile a reader and come up with a scheme to get their attention.) Publishers are reluctant to invest in an author's market too early because they publish too many books by too many "hopefuls." Yes, I agree there are way too many authors being published. But is this the bookseller's fault? Your "no returns" penalty blames the bookseller instead of the publishers who are turning out all this drivel. Booksellers are in no position to critique the product and determine which are diamonds and which are cubic zirconia. The promise of sales drives the bookseller to order books. I used to spend 3 (sometimes more) months putting together a marketing plan for each of my featured books as well as for my list. I researched like crazy and paid calls to book reviewers constantly to update my knowledge about the market. I depended on reviewers, who'd read excerpts, drafts, etc., and supply feedback--which I'd synthesize and pass on to the author. My stint in marketing and sales made me the kind of editor that I'd crave if I were an author. In short, I still insist on applying the penalty to the real criminal here--the publisher, not the bookseller. Lynne– My Photo

I still disagree with you, but your points are well taken. I,too, hate returns. you get big orders and you think “well, I’ve really got something here.” You take it as a sign that your book is on the radar. Then most of the books come back. Why?

You supply the answer yourself in other topics–the marketing savvy of the publisher, editor, and writer will reduce the number of trucks making their way to your warehouse with your books in tow.

If you can get booksellers to order 80000 or more copies of your author’s book, then you have work to do…and you better have an author who is willing to get off his/her arse to ensure those books are sold.

Book promotion must start as soon as an author commits to an idea for a book. That’s the kind of cover letter I want to see from an author, one that shows me he/she is already “targeting the intended readership” for her project. She knows where her readers are and has good ideas about how to reach them. she’s profiled them to the extent that she understands what they want to buy from her. And she takes pains to prove it to me. This marketing savvy combined, of course, with a good book idea already reduces the number of return trucks on the road.

Branding a book by generating design and jacket copy asap is another way to reduce returns. (and, yes, editors should let advertising experts write the jacket copy–ad people understand buzz words, know how to profile a reader and come up with a scheme to get their attention.) Publishers are reluctant to invest in an author’s market too early because they publish too many books by too many “hopefuls.”

Yes, I agree there are way too many authors being published. But is this the bookseller’s fault? Your “no returns” penalty blames the bookseller instead of the publishers who are turning out all this drivel. Booksellers are in no position to critique the product and determine which are diamonds and which are cubic zirconia. The promise of sales drives the bookseller to order books.

I used to spend 3 (sometimes more) months putting together a marketing plan for each of my featured books as well as for my list. I researched like crazy and paid calls to book reviewers constantly to update my knowledge about the market. I depended on reviewers, who’d read excerpts, drafts, etc., and supply feedback–which I’d synthesize and pass on to the author. My stint in marketing and sales made me the kind of editor that I’d crave if I were an author.

In short, I still insist on applying the penalty to the real criminal here–the publisher, not the bookseller.

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by: Tana McDonald http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2629 Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:14:55 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-2629 The returns policy will never change. And if you polled authors, I believe most would vote in favor of returns than   <a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4526/1862/320/HPIM0010.0.jpg"><img title="My Photo" style="width: 101px; height: 158px; border: black 3px solid" height="158" alt="My Photo" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4526/1862/320/HPIM0010.0.jpg" width="101" align="right" /></a>not. Why? Returns actually can help authors reach the masses because bookstores will take a chance on them knowing they won't get stuck with a lemon should that happen. Bookstores offer availability and access to authors; they favor no book other than the popular book. And while, yes, it is the bookstore's mission to sell their wares, it is equally the mission of the author and publisher to ensure sales as well. Any author fortunate enough to have 600000 copies of a book out in bookstores should be working his/her tale off to make sure those copies sell. Only a few rare authors can write their books, see them published, and sit back for the royalty checks to come in. These days an author's "sweat equity" in addition to the publisher's commitment and the bookseller's venue make up the magic equation for "low returns." Without that returns policy, we would publish fewer authors and bookstores would become gift shops and cafes. Drop to your knees and thank your higher power for returns. <em><strong>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): How much do I disagree with you? Let me count the ways! Thanks, Tana, for dropping by. We should publish fewer authors. Bookstores should be more selective and then push their product. Oh, I forgot, it's not "their" product, it's consignment issue! If a book sells, great. If it doesn't, so be it; just pack it up and return it. Oh, and what about that "reserve against returns" that publishing companies keep in their coffers. This is money that should be paid out ASAP to the authors or at least applied to repayment of the advance, but no, that money is a cushion for the publishing company. I'm for NO returns. Ever. Period. I do agree that authors and publishers should pitch in to promote. Unfortunately, publishers only give a book a few weeks to show a pulse, and most authors don't have any skill whatsoever when it comes to book promotion, nor do they wish to learn.</strong></em> The returns policy will never change. And if you polled authors, I believe most would vote in favor of returns than   My Photonot. Why? Returns actually can help authors reach the masses because bookstores will take a chance on them knowing they won’t get stuck with a lemon should that happen. Bookstores offer availability and access to authors; they favor no book other than the popular book. And while, yes, it is the bookstore’s mission to sell their wares, it is equally the mission of the author and publisher to ensure sales as well.

Any author fortunate enough to have 600000 copies of a book out in bookstores should be working his/her tale off to make sure those copies sell. Only a few rare authors can write their books, see them published, and sit back for the royalty checks to come in. These days an author’s “sweat equity” in addition to the publisher’s commitment and the bookseller’s venue make up the magic equation for “low returns.”

Without that returns policy, we would publish fewer authors and bookstores would become gift shops and cafes.

Drop to your knees and thank your higher power for returns.

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: How much do I disagree with you? Let me count the ways! Thanks, Tana, for dropping by. We should publish fewer authors. Bookstores should be more selective and then push their product. Oh, I forgot, it’s not “their” product, it’s consignment issue! If a book sells, great. If it doesn’t, so be it; just pack it up and return it. Oh, and what about that ”reserve against returns” that publishing companies keep in their coffers. This is money that should be paid out ASAP to the authors or at least applied to repayment of the advance, but no, that money is a cushion for the publishing company. I’m for NO returns. Ever. Period. I do agree that authors and publishers should pitch in to promote. Unfortunately, publishers only give a book a few weeks to show a pulse, and most authors don’t have any skill whatsoever when it comes to book promotion, nor do they wish to learn.

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by: Kevin Watson http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1590 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:34:50 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1590 Here's an update from my previous post: Barnes &#38; Noble is now carrying our book, "The Land Breakers," by John Ehle, even though it is nonreturnable. Score one for the little guy. Kevin Watson Press 53 Here’s an update from my previous post: Barnes & Noble is now carrying our book, “The Land Breakers,” by John Ehle, even though it is nonreturnable. Score one for the little guy.

Kevin Watson
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by: Big Bad Book Blog » Blog Archive » Big Bad Book Blog Links 08-03-06 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1335 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:43:15 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1335 [...] The Publishing Contrarian: Publisher, Editor, Author! Say &#8220;NO&#8221; to Return from Bookstores &#8220;US books are not “sold” to bookstores; US books are essentially on consignment at US bookstores&#8221;. [...] […] The Publishing Contrarian: Publisher, Editor, Author! Say “NO” to Return from Bookstores “US books are not “sold” to bookstores; US books are essentially on consignment at US bookstores”. […]

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by: Kevin Watson http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1259 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:17:32 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1259 When we first started out small press last October, we were told that to increase sales we needed to offer returns. <strong>What we soon learned was that returns could put us out of business; bookstores were ordering generously, then returning the unsold books when their invoice came due.</strong> It killed our bottom line and became an accounting nightmare. In April we changed to a no return policy. Buy what you think out can sell. No need to buy 100 or 200. Order 10 or 20. Sell what you buy and we'll make more. To echo Lynne, we would rather know that a sale in a sale. Kevin Watson Press 53 When we first started out small press last October, we were told that to increase sales we needed to offer returns. What we soon learned was that returns could put us out of business; bookstores were ordering generously, then returning the unsold books when their invoice came due. It killed our bottom line and became an accounting nightmare. In April we changed to a no return policy. Buy what you think out can sell. No need to buy 100 or 200. Order 10 or 20. Sell what you buy and we’ll make more. To echo Lynne, we would rather know that a sale in a sale.

Kevin Watson
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by: Peter Riva http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1255 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:47:53 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-1255 A thorny issue? Why? The car industry created this policy and the publishers simply copied them. It works so well for the car industry - all those shiny cars you thought the dealer had on his lot (and were not his) - that surely you are mad to ask the publishing industry to try selling books, no? I mean, the car industry in America is doing so well, no? Well, hm... perhaps not. A thorny issue? Why? The car industry created this policy and the publishers simply copied them. It works so well for the car industry - all those shiny cars you thought the dealer had on his lot (and were not his) - that surely you are mad to ask the publishing industry to try selling books, no? I mean, the car industry in America is doing so well, no?
Well, hm… perhaps not.

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by: Andrew O'Hara http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-67 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:41:09 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/02/23/publisher-editor-author-say-no-to-returns-from-bookstores/#comment-67 I'm so naive. We frown on the woman who wears the dress once and returns it, and the grocer probably just hasn't thought of sending the tomatos back to the farmer if they don't sell. Our elitist books stores like Bahrnes and Nohb-el, in particular, do indeed rule the roost and people grovel to please them. I’m so naive. We frown on the woman who wears the dress once and returns it, and the grocer probably just hasn’t thought of sending the tomatos back to the farmer if they don’t sell. Our elitist books stores like Bahrnes and Nohb-el, in particular, do indeed rule the roost and people grovel to please them.

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