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Comments on: Scan-Happy Google Creates Online “Universal Library,” Publishers Get Sidelined, and Books Turn into Loss Leaders for Authors http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/ Tendentious comments and cranky critiques by Lynne W. Scanlon P.E.A. (Publisher/Editor/Author) Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:33:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: Brother René http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-6588 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:49:53 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-6588 The great thing (and the worst thing) about America is that one can make as much NOISE as one wants. And, it's obviously working here for both Lynne and Emile. Google and Internet Explorer are both free services. If you don't like them, don't use them. It's that simple. <em>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Crikey, Brother Rene. I see you sneaked out of the window of the monastery and down to the local internet cafe again! </em> The great thing (and the worst thing) about America is that one can make as much NOISE as one wants. And, it’s obviously working here for both Lynne and Emile.

Google and Internet Explorer are both free services. If you don’t like them, don’t use them. It’s that simple.

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Crikey, Brother Rene. I see you sneaked out of the window of the monastery and down to the local internet cafe again! 

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by: Emile Badir http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-6508 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:53:19 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-6508 A lot of noise for google and Microsoft , what is new ? Free domain books scanned ? already done before by academic centers and available online. Recent books scanned ? publisher permission ? already online by the publishers them self. I made a search on Google books, what i found ? pieces of books ? all what google or yahoo or Microsoft want is that you click on where to buy. they will present a mass as usualy but in fact you will be only able to see a couple of hundred imposed to you to see and to buy. the fact is that preservation and researcher they will continue to go to the academic centers where they will find what they want. others will only see straps of books it a pure trade business. Some poeple belive that knowledge must not be traded - i.e. available only to who can effort the price - and the works does not belong to the writer or the publisher as much it belong to the humanity, whatever this phylosifie is based on religion belives, and therefor in many contries, governements has published a lot of books (mostly literature, history,politic, phylosophie, technologie)on a low price (less than the cost price), I donn't think google , yahoo or Microsoft are from this party. Can the you stop making noise, you only do what they want you to do. thank for your times A lot of noise for google and Microsoft , what is new ?
Free domain books scanned ? already done before by academic centers and available online.
Recent books scanned ? publisher permission ? already online by the publishers them self.
I made a search on Google books, what i found ? pieces of books ? all what google or yahoo or Microsoft want is that you click on where to buy. they will present a mass as usualy but in fact you will be only able to see a couple of hundred imposed to you to see and to buy.
the fact is that preservation and researcher they will continue to go to the academic centers where they will find what they want. others will only see straps of books it a pure trade business.
Some poeple belive that knowledge must not be traded - i.e. available only to who can effort the price - and the works does not belong to the writer or the publisher as much it belong to the humanity, whatever this phylosifie is based on religion belives, and therefor in many contries, governements has published a lot of books (mostly literature, history,politic, phylosophie, technologie)on a low price (less than the cost price), I donn’t think google , yahoo or Microsoft are from this party.
Can the you stop making noise, you only do what they want you to do.
thank for your times

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by: Eoin Purcell’s Blog » Blog Archive » The two digital debate camps http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-549 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:18:59 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-549 [...] Search is the library/bookshop of the web. The Publishing Contrarian has a nice post (some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with) on this and its consequences. [...] […] Search is the library/bookshop of the web. The Publishing Contrarian has a nice post (some of which I agree with some of which I disagree with) on this and its consequences. […]

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by: Eoin Purcell’s Blog » Blog Archive » Will publishers live on? http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-542 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:40:32 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-542 [...] On my arrival back in Dublin I settled in for a few hours of feed catch-up and found that the same theme has been floated (though with different outcomes) this weekend on the web too. Two new and fascinating posts crossed my path and are well worth investigating. The first to read is by The Publishing Contrarian and it came by way of and as part of more comment on Booksquare. [...] […] On my arrival back in Dublin I settled in for a few hours of feed catch-up and found that the same theme has been floated (though with different outcomes) this weekend on the web too. Two new and fascinating posts crossed my path and are well worth investigating. The first to read is by The Publishing Contrarian and it came by way of and as part of more comment on Booksquare. […]

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by: Booksquare » More On Google; We Never Rest http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-541 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:42:44 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-541 [...] Scan-Happy Google Creates Online “Universal Library,” Publishers Get Sidelined, and Books Turn into Loss Leaders for Authors [...] […] Scan-Happy Google Creates Online “Universal Library,” Publishers Get Sidelined, and Books Turn into Loss Leaders for Authors […]

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by: Maxine http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-529 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:46:47 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-529 This is all fascinating, and gets lots of people het up for different reasons.<a href="http://a6.vox.com/6a00c2252bcad68fdb00ccff92eb5ed756-pi"><img title="Maxine" alt="Maxine" src="http://a6.vox.com/6a00c2252bcad68fdb00ccff92eb5ed756-500pi" align="right" /></a> Scanning books and putting content online does not necessarily mean anything in terms of people being able to read it for free -- I work for a publisher with full online content, but it is access-controlled. (I am not making any predictions, just pointing out what is possible). In my opinion, what will happen to books is what has happened/is happening to the scientific journal part of the publishing industry, and what Amazon is very much into just now. That is, reader ranking and "citation tracking". Google Scholar will show you the kind of thing -- scholarly content is user-ranked. What comes up to the top of your search is what most people like reading. On the "scan this book" model, best-sellers could become best-sellers because people like reading them...get a book returned in your online search that has a high ranking/citation, and order it (POD). So could the whole thing mean more power to the author and the small independent publisher, and less power to the conglomorates and marketeers? I don't know, of course, but surely it is possible? (Booksellers, as you, Glenn Reynolds and others have said, Lynne, need to speed up their self-reinvention as wi-fi-ed coffee houses in which people like to spend their time running their one-person businesses, writing their books or whatever. Maybe they should even get together with the beleaguered libraries to provide a combined book buying/lending service as part of a multi-environment for people?) This is all fascinating, and gets lots of people het up for different reasons.Maxine
Scanning books and putting content online does not necessarily mean anything in terms of people being able to read it for free — I work for a publisher with full online content, but it is access-controlled. (I am not making any predictions, just pointing out what is possible).

In my opinion, what will happen to books is what has happened/is happening to the scientific journal part of the publishing industry, and what Amazon is very much into just now. That is, reader ranking and “citation tracking”. Google Scholar will show you the kind of thing — scholarly content is user-ranked. What comes up to the top of your search is what most people like reading.

On the “scan this book” model, best-sellers could become best-sellers because people like reading them…get a book returned in your online search that has a high ranking/citation, and order it (POD).

So could the whole thing mean more power to the author and the small independent publisher, and less power to the conglomorates and marketeers? I don’t know, of course, but surely it is possible? (Booksellers, as you, Glenn Reynolds and others have said, Lynne, need to speed up their self-reinvention as wi-fi-ed coffee houses in which people like to spend their time running their one-person businesses, writing their books or whatever. Maybe they should even get together with the beleaguered libraries to provide a combined book buying/lending service as part of a multi-environment for people?)

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by: Cathy West http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-504 Tue, 30 May 2006 14:44:58 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-504 I love the passion behind your prose! However, as much as I agree with everything you are saying, I do have to add that, as an author who has yet to be published with a traditional house, there is that dream of holding YOUR book in your hands, that has yet to be fulfilled. Admittedly, seeing my writing online has been a thrill, but I still aspire to hold my 'baby' in my hand and drop a tear onto that first page... Perhaps it is the traditionalist in me. I have thought about self-publishing many times, yet again, that traditional spirit rises up to argue that going that route may be in fact 'cheating'. Then again, why do I feel that I can only succeed if somebody sitting behind a desk with a fancy title of Acquisitions Editor 'says' I can?? The money isn't an issue for me. {guffaw!!} Really, I don't stand to make much either way, unless of course Hollywood gets wind of my genius...for me, it's just the reward of seeing all the blood, sweat and tears become validated through sharing the gift I have been given with others. And if they 'get it', all the better! I love books and I would hate to see them become obsolete, yet I can also empathise with the struggling author who just wants to get a foot in the door, dang it!! It will be interesting to see how all this develops over the next few years. Perhaps, for the generations coming behind us, a UL will be the only way to get them to read! Hey, go pick up the computer and read for an hour...hmmm....don't think my son will buy that one, but you never know... <em>Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Cathy, I think of you as a published author; your book is available to the public. While it is true that Miriam Webster's online dictionary defines publish as "to produce or release for distribution; specifcally: print, I believe that dictionary is due for an update to include online versions of books.  </em> I love the passion behind your prose!
However, as much as I agree with everything you are saying, I do have to add that, as an author who has yet to be published with a traditional house, there is that dream of holding YOUR book in your hands, that has yet to be fulfilled.
Admittedly, seeing my writing online has been a thrill, but I still aspire to hold my ‘baby’ in my hand and drop a tear onto that first page…
Perhaps it is the traditionalist in me.
I have thought about self-publishing many times, yet again, that traditional spirit rises up to argue that going that route may be in fact ‘cheating’.
Then again, why do I feel that I can only succeed if somebody sitting behind a desk with a fancy title of Acquisitions Editor ’says’ I can??
The money isn’t an issue for me. {guffaw!!}
Really, I don’t stand to make much either way, unless of course Hollywood gets wind of my genius…for me, it’s just the reward of seeing all the blood, sweat and tears become validated through sharing the gift I have been given with others. And if they ‘get it’, all the better!
I love books and I would hate to see them become obsolete, yet I can also empathise with the struggling author who just wants to get a foot in the door, dang it!!
It will be interesting to see how all this develops over the next few years. Perhaps, for the generations coming behind us, a UL will be the only way to get them to read! Hey, go pick up the computer and read for an hour…hmmm….don’t think my son will buy that one, but you never know…

Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Cathy, I think of you as a published author; your book is available to the public. While it is true that Miriam Webster’s online dictionary defines publish as “to produce or release for distribution; specifcally: print, I believe that dictionary is due for an update to include online versions of books.  

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by: Minx http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-475 Fri, 26 May 2006 19:43:32 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-475 We used to go to the talkies, then we got televisions that looked like goldfish bowls. Now we demand two metre 'wall floating' entertainmant systems. We used to have telephones with wires that strangled the cat. Then we had mobiles that looked like bricks. Now we have phones that connect to everything and are the size of credit cards. We used to have books. We will always have books, but....... We used to go to the talkies, then we got televisions that looked like goldfish bowls. Now we demand two metre ‘wall floating’ entertainmant systems.

We used to have telephones with wires that strangled the cat. Then we had mobiles that looked like bricks. Now we have phones that connect to everything and are the size of credit cards.

We used to have books. We will always have books, but…….

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by: David Thayer http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-457 Tue, 23 May 2006 22:05:47 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-457 Valerie Ryan runs the best damned bookstore on the left coast. <em>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Valerie left a comment. See above! </em> Valerie Ryan runs the best damned bookstore on the left coast.

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Valerie left a comment. See above! 

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by: Lynne http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-452 Mon, 22 May 2006 22:30:40 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2006/05/21/scan-happy-google-creates-online-universal-library-publishers-get-sidelined-and-books-turn-into-loss-leaders-for-authors/#comment-452 I just got back from clicking over to <em>Publishers Weekly</em> to see what Sara Nelson, Editor in Chief, wrote about today. She, too, has written an essay on this subject, though her title is a little less complicated: <a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/CA6336159.html?dislay=current&industry=Sara+Nelson&verticalid=792">"Scan this!"</a> It's always worth a trip to <em>Publishers Weekly</em> to see what Sara Nelson has written. I just got back from clicking over to Publishers Weekly to see what Sara Nelson, Editor in Chief, wrote about today. She, too, has written an essay on this subject, though her title is a little less complicated: “Scan this!” It’s always worth a trip to Publishers Weekly to see what Sara Nelson has written.

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