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Comments on: Hoopla About a Woman’s “Hoohaa” in The Vagina Monologues at John Jay High School. Three Young Liars Make The Today Show! http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/ Tendentious comments and cranky critiques by Lynne W. Scanlon P.E.A. (Publisher/Editor/Author) Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:06:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: The Shacklewell Iron http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-68879 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:23:50 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-68879 This is a great, trying to be the last poster - 7 months later is reasonably sneaky, I reckon. And I, too, have nothing better to do. So, a would-be Buddhist and two stand-up Christians in one short blogline... only in America. Where's the Musulman in all of this? Well, Artists, you're a singular cove, eh? LODB - stop shouting 'Stop!'. If you lie by doing something that you said to someone in power you wouldn't, then you are going to do some bird when that deed catches up with you. Doesn't matter how trivial (or if you're three teenage girls at an expensive American school) - it's political, so left, right or centre, there are necessary consequences. Shouting 'Stop!' at the deaf is just an amateur marcher's delusion, putty in the hands of the skilfully mendacious at the tops of their trees. So join the professionals, darling! Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons, marchons, qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons! Onwards, to some lies we can call our own! This is a great, trying to be the last poster - 7 months later is reasonably sneaky, I reckon. And I, too, have nothing better to do. So, a would-be Buddhist and two stand-up Christians in one short blogline… only in America. Where’s the Musulman in all of this?

Well, Artists, you’re a singular cove, eh?

LODB - stop shouting ‘Stop!’. If you lie by doing something that you said to someone in power you wouldn’t, then you are going to do some bird when that deed catches up with you. Doesn’t matter how trivial (or if you’re three teenage girls at an expensive American school) - it’s political, so left, right or centre, there are necessary consequences.

Shouting ‘Stop!’ at the deaf is just an amateur marcher’s delusion, putty in the hands of the skilfully mendacious at the tops of their trees. So join the professionals, darling! Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons! Marchons, marchons, qu’un sang impur abreuve nos sillons! Onwards, to some lies we can call our own!

]]> by: Artists http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-31842 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:08:58 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-31842 First off...i am leaving a reply with the belief it will not be read since it seems the momentum of the string of posts has died some time ago. I am not any of the following: a mega-blogger writer and editor director ordained minister playwright newspaper reporter freelance journalist author mother feminist I am an artist. I am a human. Since I have been living in asia for some time...some of my only access to the western world is thru the virtual one. A distorted version at that. Frankly...I am not sure I have the energy to say anything more on the VAGINA. I teach english to kids who get beat because they're hair is 1 cm too long. ... THEY GET BEAT BECAUSE THEY'RE HAIR IS TOO LONG!!!! ... alot of days....i wish my students had the will and confidence to stand up to their school system and their culture.....and I thank god that in my own country, kidz do. Even if it is over a "word". A word. A hair. In the end we all go back to the same friggin' dust. THE END First off…i am leaving a reply with the belief it will not be read since it seems the momentum of the string of posts has died some time ago.

I am not any of the following:

mega-blogger
writer and editor
director
ordained minister
playwright
newspaper reporter
freelance journalist
author
mother
feminist

I am an artist.

I am a human.

Since I have been living in asia for some time…some of my only access to the western world is thru the virtual one. A distorted version at that. Frankly…I am not sure I have the energy to say anything more on the VAGINA.

I teach english to kids who get beat because they’re hair is 1 cm too long.

…

THEY GET BEAT BECAUSE THEY’RE HAIR IS TOO LONG!!!!

…

alot of days….i wish my students had the will and confidence to stand up to their school system and their culture…..and I thank god that in my own country, kidz do. Even if it is over a “word”.

A word.

A hair.

In the end we all go back to the same friggin’ dust. THE END

]]> by: Adam http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-18438 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:18:59 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-18438 if anyone gets offended by something like "vagina" then that really sucks for them, i guess. if they can't deal with a basic part of humanity's anatomy and sexuality, then they need to evolve. if anyone gets offended by something like “vagina” then that really sucks for them, i guess. if they can’t deal with a basic part of humanity’s anatomy and sexuality, then they need to evolve.

]]> by: Debra Hamel http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15267 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:30:06 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15267 "Besides, what were these girls supposed to do? Tell the principal that they would, in fact, say the word “vagina” and then have the show canceled? […]" No, they should have fought the principal's ruling, if they thought it unreasonable, by some more above-board means: getting together a petition, say, or even approaching the media with it. But I think Lynne is right to fault them for lying about their intentions. “Besides, what were these girls supposed to do? Tell the principal that they would, in fact, say the word “vagina” and then have the show canceled? […]”

No, they should have fought the principal’s ruling, if they thought it unreasonable, by some more above-board means: getting together a petition, say, or even approaching the media with it. But I think Lynne is right to fault them for lying about their intentions.

]]> by: Vivian S. http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15256 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:14:45 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15256 It's the principal's fault? Actually, I thought he told them they could NOT participate in the open microphone night and read the lines in question. How unclear is that? I think a hair just got split. Yes, we do seem to be living in a land where lies are rewarded. You get an appearance on The Today Show. Vivian--Mother of Two Children It’s the principal’s fault? Actually, I thought he told them they could NOT participate in the open microphone night and read the lines in question. How unclear is that? I think a hair just got split.
Yes, we do seem to be living in a land where lies are rewarded. You get an appearance on The Today Show.

Vivian–Mother of Two Children

]]> by: Sam http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15245 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:27:40 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15245 I stand corrected - but I do think that the principal was at fault. Agreeing to a part of the monologues while trying to censure it was a mistake. He should have either given his complete accord or forbidden it outright. As a former teen, I can sympathize with the girls. As the mother of three teens, I can sympathize with the principal. (But I believe he handled it wrongly.) And as for lies - we seem to be living in a land where lies are rewarded. There is a president who lied repeatedly and yet he is still in office, and his shares in the oil and arms companies are making him obscene amounts of money. Seems silly to start pointing the finger at three teenage girls, doesn't it? I stand corrected - but I do think that the principal was at fault. Agreeing to a part of the monologues while trying to censure it was a mistake. He should have either given his complete accord or forbidden it outright.
As a former teen, I can sympathize with the girls. As the mother of three teens, I can sympathize with the principal. (But I believe he handled it wrongly.)

And as for lies - we seem to be living in a land where lies are rewarded. There is a president who lied repeatedly and yet he is still in office, and his shares in the oil and arms companies are making him obscene amounts of money. Seems silly to start pointing the finger at three teenage girls, doesn’t it?

]]> by: Edward Champion’s Return of the Reluctant » Roundup http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15241 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:23:15 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15241 [...] I agree with Bill Peschel. Lynne Scanlon is really missing the point about the Vagina Monologues debacle. Besides, what were these girls supposed to do? Tell the principal that they would, in fact, say the word “vagina” and then have the show canceled? [...] Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Um, Ed, actually <a href="http://www.planetpeschel.com/index?/site/comments/readers_almanac_3_22/">Bill Peschel</a> agreed with me that I was right in pointing out what everyone else missed (or ignored!)---that Hannah Levinson, Elan Stal and Megan Reback lied to the high school principal. And the show would not have been canceled. Recitation of lines from The Vagina Monologues was only one of the "acts" on open-mic night. […] I agree with Bill Peschel. Lynne Scanlon is really missing the point about the Vagina Monologues debacle. Besides, what were these girls supposed to do? Tell the principal that they would, in fact, say the word “vagina” and then have the show canceled? […]

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Um, Ed, actually Bill Peschel agreed with me that I was right in pointing out what everyone else missed (or ignored!)—that Hannah Levinson, Elan Stal and Megan Reback lied to the high school principal. And the show would not have been canceled. Recitation of lines from The Vagina Monologues was only one of the “acts” on open-mic night.

]]> by: Sam http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15156 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:16:04 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15156 Q: What kind of principal would give the green light to put on a play called the Vagina Monologues, then try to censure its lines? A: A well-meaning idiot Q: What kind of teens would agree to do the play, (wanted to do it) tacitly agree to censure, only to renege and say the lines anyway? A: Smart-ass, normal teens As an adult, the principal should have either agreed to the whole play or forbidden it, but not condone censorship, which is abhorant. (and ridiculous in this case). The teens were just being teens. Don't teens rebel as a matter of course? Thank goodness for youth and teens! What I can't understand is the media fuss surrounding this. Now that's ridiculous. Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Hi, Sam, thanks for stopping by. Again, the play The Vagina Monologues was not being presented. It was open-mic night at the high school and many students were stepping forward to participate. Some even recited Shakespeare according to one newspaper reporter. Q: What kind of principal would give the green light to put on a play called the Vagina Monologues, then try to censure its lines?
A: A well-meaning idiot

Q: What kind of teens would agree to do the play, (wanted to do it) tacitly agree to censure, only to renege and say the lines anyway?
A: Smart-ass, normal teens

As an adult, the principal should have either agreed to the whole play or forbidden it, but not condone censorship, which is abhorant. (and ridiculous in this case). The teens were just being teens. Don’t teens rebel as a matter of course? Thank goodness for youth and teens!

What I can’t understand is the media fuss surrounding this. Now that’s ridiculous.

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Hi, Sam, thanks for stopping by. Again, the play The Vagina Monologues was not being presented. It was open-mic night at the high school and many students were stepping forward to participate. Some even recited Shakespeare according to one newspaper reporter.

]]> by: Brother René http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15149 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:11:30 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15149 Dear Wicked One: Cut humiliter opinor…… As a celibate groupie of her “witchness” I’m slightly dismayed that she has forsaken her publishing roots and amusing book banter in favor of “the genitalia of the week.” Scrotums here, vaginas there, what shall April bring us, clitorides and foreskins? Can you get this likeable and often informative blog back on track? Or, are Anna Nicole Smith's departed breasts (boobs, titties, knockers) coming soon to the Publishing Contrarian? And dear Lynne, have you hugged a book today? Brother René Advocatus Diaboli Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Aren't we a little ornery today, Brother Rene? Too much Cribari alter wine...again? Eve Enser's play constitutes a published work. There are publishing companies, such as <a href="http://www.samuelfrench-london.co.uk/">Samuel French, Ltd</a>, who specialize in publishing and leasing plays. So there. You are correct, however, that it's enough already about the body parts! Dear Wicked One:

Cut humiliter opinor……

As a celibate groupie of her “witchness” I’m slightly dismayed that she has forsaken her publishing roots and amusing book banter in favor of “the genitalia of the week.” Scrotums here, vaginas there, what shall April bring us, clitorides and foreskins? Can you get this likeable and often informative blog back on track? Or, are Anna Nicole Smith’s departed breasts (boobs, titties, knockers) coming soon to the Publishing Contrarian?

And dear Lynne, have you hugged a book today?

Brother René
Advocatus Diaboli

Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing ™: Aren’t we a little ornery today, Brother Rene? Too much Cribari alter wine…again? Eve Enser’s play constitutes a published work. There are publishing companies, such as Samuel French, Ltd, who specialize in publishing and leasing plays. So there. You are correct, however, that it’s enough already about the body parts!

]]> by: lastofadyingbreed http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15080 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:44:10 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2007/03/15/hoopla-about-a-womans-hoohaa-in-the-vagina-monologues-at-john-jay-high-school-three-young-liars-make-the-today-show/#comment-15080 Again, my apologies. I didn't realize that I was commenting to an audience of devout Buddhists (or Sikhs, or Hindus, or whichever of the dharmic faiths you each practice). The above close-reasoning which ends with an invocation of Karma as the highest intellectual rationale in our debate has changed my mind. I'm off to join my local Temple, so I can get in touch with my <a href="http://www.buddhanet.net/" rel="nofollow">Tariki.</a> Maybe that will help during the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june07/speech_03-19.html" rel="nofollow">Supreme Court hearings.</a> <a href rel="nofollow">New Supreme Court Justice Alito, especially, should be moved by that argument.</a> Again, my apologies. I didn’t realize that I was commenting to an audience of devout Buddhists (or Sikhs, or Hindus, or whichever of the dharmic faiths you each practice). The above close-reasoning which ends with an invocation of Karma as the highest intellectual rationale in our debate has changed my mind. I’m off to join my local Temple, so I can get in touch with my Tariki. Maybe that will help during the Supreme Court hearings.

New Supreme Court Justice Alito, especially, should be moved by that argument.

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