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	<title>Comments on: What Do Authors Scott Spencer, John Irving and Gay Talese have in Common? Sexual Crapulence!</title>
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	<description>Cranky critiques by Lynne W. Scanlon P.E.A. (Publisher/Editor/Author)</description>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has happened to literary fiction that diagnoses who we are and the malaise in society, to use a term from novelist Walker Percy ?  The sexploitative novel has been around for a while, and the only author who handles sex in a literary context, to my way of thinking, is John Updike, whose at times uses sexual prose and situations because they are germane to his plot.  As for Irving, I admit I liked GARP, although in retrospect, the high point of the novel was when a woman bit his "member" off.  Does this elevate us to thinking about the human condition?  Research for these books?  Gimme a break.  Just turn on the TV, for goodness sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has happened to literary fiction that diagnoses who we are and the malaise in society, to use a term from novelist Walker Percy ?  The sexploitative novel has been around for a while, and the only author who handles sex in a literary context, to my way of thinking, is John Updike, whose at times uses sexual prose and situations because they are germane to his plot.  As for Irving, I admit I liked GARP, although in retrospect, the high point of the novel was when a woman bit his &#8220;member&#8221; off.  Does this elevate us to thinking about the human condition?  Research for these books?  Gimme a break.  Just turn on the TV, for goodness sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Maralyn Rittenour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maralyn Rittenour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only 4 women commented.

Are we just more timid, uptight, afraid of exploitation or worse if we do too much 'hands on' research?

Interesting reading as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 4 women commented.</p>
<p>Are we just more timid, uptight, afraid of exploitation or worse if we do too much &#8216;hands on&#8217; research?</p>
<p>Interesting reading as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Clavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Clavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witchy Woman:
You are on to a very provocative theme . . . and I wish you had explored it much further. Yes, what are these guys up to, and the publishers that fund them? On a personal note, as a male, well-published writer who will turn 54 this summer, am I in position to instruct my agent to get me a book contract to explore some kind of randy sex project? What if I want to hit the tarmac in Saigon in April 1975 and there is nothing sexy about that? To console me, give me Peggy's number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witchy Woman:<br />
You are on to a very provocative theme . . . and I wish you had explored it much further. Yes, what are these guys up to, and the publishers that fund them? On a personal note, as a male, well-published writer who will turn 54 this summer, am I in position to instruct my agent to get me a book contract to explore some kind of randy sex project? What if I want to hit the tarmac in Saigon in April 1975 and there is nothing sexy about that? To console me, give me Peggy&#8217;s number.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wicked Witch, It's mighty nice of you to provide the bios, etc., on your commenters.  It adds a lot to the page in addition to pleasing those so favored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wicked Witch, It&#8217;s mighty nice of you to provide the bios, etc., on your commenters.  It adds a lot to the page in addition to pleasing those so favored.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Rene was secretly listening to NPR one day a couple of weeks ago and heard an interview with Scott Spencer.

As I recall, Scott said he gained all of his knowledge (about the subject) by interviewing clients and vendors on his many research trips and not by personal experience. I thought he said he took his kids or wife along on a couple of the trips.

Can't quite recall the exact details because the subject was irrelevant to the eager but cloistered frater. You can probably still listen to the interview at NPR.org.

Bro

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): If you say so.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Rene was secretly listening to NPR one day a couple of weeks ago and heard an interview with Scott Spencer.</p>
<p>As I recall, Scott said he gained all of his knowledge (about the subject) by interviewing clients and vendors on his many research trips and not by personal experience. I thought he said he took his kids or wife along on a couple of the trips.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t quite recall the exact details because the subject was irrelevant to the eager but cloistered frater. You can probably still listen to the interview at NPR.org.</p>
<p>Bro</p>
<p><em><strong>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): If you say so.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Sridhar Balan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sridhar Balan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lynne,

Maybe it's male menopause, maybe it's an effort to revive a flagging libido. But the acid test of these books is whether they titilate and one can get a prurient thrill from reading them or is their purpose more serious. Talese's book was rather pathbreaking for its time an we still don't have an answer to what his wife was thinking. I am positing these books against Nancy Friday and others who also claim to be doing 'research'.

We also have of course, much more explicit material. To each their own. But some good may still come of it. I would add of interest to sociologists too, in addition to psychologists, psychiatrists and police. But if we can raise awareness about the nexus between organized crime and pornography and exploitation which leads to paedophalia and prostitution, we may be able take some positive action.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Sridhar Balan is a senior consultant with book publisher Ratna Sagar Private Ltd. He had previously been a director with Oxford University Press, India. He is involved in professional training in publishing and also writes a column on publishing in leading newspapers. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lynne,</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s male menopause, maybe it&#8217;s an effort to revive a flagging libido. But the acid test of these books is whether they titilate and one can get a prurient thrill from reading them or is their purpose more serious. Talese&#8217;s book was rather pathbreaking for its time an we still don&#8217;t have an answer to what his wife was thinking. I am positing these books against Nancy Friday and others who also claim to be doing &#8216;research&#8217;.</p>
<p>We also have of course, much more explicit material. To each their own. But some good may still come of it. I would add of interest to sociologists too, in addition to psychologists, psychiatrists and police. But if we can raise awareness about the nexus between organized crime and pornography and exploitation which leads to paedophalia and prostitution, we may be able take some positive action.</p>
<p><em><strong>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Sridhar Balan is a senior consultant with book publisher Ratna Sagar Private Ltd. He had previously been a director with Oxford University Press, India. He is involved in professional training in publishing and also writes a column on publishing in leading newspapers. </strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Lorra Laven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorra Laven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was researching my novel on the cover up of abuse at a private boys' school, I relied on psychologists and their websites like the comprehensive site hosted by Dr. Jim Hopper, PhD.&lt;img width="114" height="105" align="right" src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/LorraLaven.JPG" /&gt;

I never would have considered going to a kiddie porn site; the thought sickens and terrifies me. Trust me when I tell you, I would not do well in Club Fed.

Of course, real life is the best resource available. There are just some things you wish you had not had to experience to get your background info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was researching my novel on the cover up of abuse at a private boys&#8217; school, I relied on psychologists and their websites like the comprehensive site hosted by Dr. Jim Hopper, PhD.<img width="114" height="105" align="right" src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/LorraLaven.JPG" /></p>
<p>I never would have considered going to a kiddie porn site; the thought sickens and terrifies me. Trust me when I tell you, I would not do well in Club Fed.</p>
<p>Of course, real life is the best resource available. There are just some things you wish you had not had to experience to get your background info.</p>
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		<title>By: staghounds</title>
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		<dc:creator>staghounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite his [Gay Talese] unfortunate name, nine years?

It only takes seven for a physician's license!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite his [Gay Talese] unfortunate name, nine years?</p>
<p>It only takes seven for a physician&#8217;s license!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not just men.  My next (third) novel, which is near completion, is about a woman who has a religious&lt;img align="right" src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/PeggyPayne.jpg" /&gt; experience that causes her to go berserk sexually.  I'm 59 years old, a little late for a mid-life crisis.

I've found that the process of writing the book has been an exploration of the intersection of mysticism and sex that has shown me that connection more clearly.

In every book, for me, there are some givens, parts that feel ready-made and waiting to be put on the page.  In this book, the sexy parts were the ones that were easiest to write.   And fun.
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Peggy writes novels and nonfiction books. Her themes are mysticism and sexuality (and the intersection of the two), and creative courage and self-expression. Her most recent novel Sister India, is a New York Times Notable Book of the Year.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just men.  My next (third) novel, which is near completion, is about a woman who has a religious<img align="right" src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/PeggyPayne.jpg" /> experience that causes her to go berserk sexually.  I&#8217;m 59 years old, a little late for a mid-life crisis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that the process of writing the book has been an exploration of the intersection of mysticism and sex that has shown me that connection more clearly.</p>
<p>In every book, for me, there are some givens, parts that feel ready-made and waiting to be put on the page.  In this book, the sexy parts were the ones that were easiest to write.   And fun.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em><strong>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Peggy writes novels and nonfiction books. Her themes are mysticism and sexuality (and the intersection of the two), and creative courage and self-expression. Her most recent novel Sister India, is a New York Times Notable Book of the Year.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Cur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 235,000 hits so far on YouTube!

&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdcsZZsv80"&gt;Client #9 &lt;/a&gt;

That is unkind to poor little Elliott.
Cur

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Maybe former Governor Spitzer should have said he was merely "researching."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 235,000 hits so far on YouTube!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdcsZZsv80">Client #9 </a></p>
<p>That is unkind to poor little Elliott.<br />
Cur</p>
<p><em><strong>Note from the Wicked Witch of Publishing (TM): Maybe former Governor Spitzer should have said he was merely &#8220;researching.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
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