Comments on: ART in The Hamptons — The Great, The Near-Great & The Great Pretenders http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/ Publisher/Editor/Author -- Cranky Critiques & Random Rants Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:32:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wray Willliams http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-279411 Wray Willliams Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:14:19 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-279411 I’m looking forward to the day when I finally appreciate FP work completely – I like some things about it, but not enough to be enamored. I’ve never been able to love his colorful California counterpart David Hockney’s work either. When you base you work on realism yet can’t draw very well, it never quite rings true as the drawing is all on the surface.

Sometimes a superficial empty quality in a painters work can dovetail with their subject matter. That weak drawing can convenience the lack of emotion (except maybe depression) in the artist painting ability by giving a false sense of emptiness in the subject. Superficially it’s like the artist captures some kind of questioning of the meaning of life in face of the people they portray, but really it’s just artificial painting.

Admittedly a crude drawing ability can often lend a work personal style to the work (Alice Neel comes to mind), but for me crude artists never stop having that frustratingly promising quality of a painter in their twenties who might be good when they mature, but then over the years they only mature in age, not in depth of quality work.

I may still get it one day- I like finally get Tapies, De Stael and Diebenkorn and a few years ago I’d have yawned. Still waiting to be trans-Portered.

]]> By: Sage http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-259158 Sage Sun, 31 Oct 2010 23:07:00 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-259158 You're article made me so turned off to you wine and cheese loving people that I have second thoughts about entering the art world. I'm a senior in high school, and have never read Porter's art criticism, and yet am in love with his paintings. I noticed that you didn't put any front-facing images of Joe Strand's work so I went and looked it up for myself, and ok, it's not bad at all. but Porter's level of sensitivity so surpasses Strand's as to be almost laughable. Next time you write an article like this, make sure you're not just being angry for the sake of it. <strong>Note from Lynne W. Scanlon. Thanks for dropping by Sage, and leaving a strong comment. [Sage is a high school student at Crossroads School in Santa Monica, CA, class of 2011. She has self-published two books, one a book of poetry titled <em>Sage Ryza</em> and the other a book of photographs of herself, titled <em>A Trip Through Time</em>.] </strong> You’re article made me so turned off to you wine and cheese loving people that I have second thoughts about entering the art world. I’m a senior in high school, and have never read Porter’s art criticism, and yet am in love with his paintings. I noticed that you didn’t put any front-facing images of Joe Strand’s work so I went and looked it up for myself, and ok, it’s not bad at all. but Porter’s level of sensitivity so surpasses Strand’s as to be almost laughable. Next time you write an article like this, make sure you’re not just being angry for the sake of it.

Note from Lynne W. Scanlon. Thanks for dropping by Sage, and leaving a strong comment. [Sage is a high school student at Crossroads School in Santa Monica, CA, class of 2011. She has self-published two books, one a book of poetry titled Sage Ryza and the other a book of photographs of herself, titled A Trip Through Time.]

]]> By: real artist http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188546 real artist Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:58:51 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188546 Liddi reinforces a point I was going to make. <strong>At least in this blog we are discussing QUALITY in art and how to determine what is good. THAT is a discussion the curators and museums need to be having alot more often instead of being slaves to some fashion imposed by whom????</strong> <strong><em>Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing(TM): With the artist's permission, I am adding some biographical material: One-person shows include the Rockefeller Townhouse in New York and the Gregg Galleries of the National Arts Club. Group shows include the Newark Museum, The National Arts Club, Art Expo New York and galleries throughout the Northeast. The artist is the recipient of the Joel E. Smilow Foundation award for painting from the Silvermine Guild Juried Annual and the Salmagundi Club Award for representational Painting from C.L.W.A.C. Annual Exhibit at the National Arts Club. </em></strong> Liddi reinforces a point I was going to make. At least in this blog we are discussing QUALITY in art and how to determine what is good. THAT is a discussion the curators and museums need to be having alot more often instead of being slaves to some fashion imposed by whom????

Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing(TM): With the artist’s permission, I am adding some biographical material: One-person shows include the Rockefeller Townhouse in New York and the Gregg Galleries of the National Arts Club. Group shows include the Newark Museum, The National Arts Club, Art Expo New York and galleries throughout the Northeast. The artist is the recipient of the Joel E. Smilow Foundation award for painting from the Silvermine Guild Juried Annual and the Salmagundi Club Award for representational Painting from C.L.W.A.C. Annual Exhibit at the National Arts Club.

]]> By: Liddi http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188493 Liddi Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:26:16 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188493 Forget the tour. <strong>The better question is: When has a noted curator last bought a work of art from an artist they recommended? </strong>Didn't someone say, the medium is the message? I think it might have been Marshall McLuhan, not sure. Anyway, "real artist" comments are closest to the real world. Art doesn't have a value to anyone until it's bought. I ran a small art gallery for a short period and worked with many artists who I had great respect for and many had hundreds of works <img src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/PhilLid.jpg" alt="Phil" /> hidden away in their homes. My resulting perception was that great quantities of worthy art is hidden away because of a lack of marketing. That is the major difficulty within the art world. <strong>Only a few curators set values. Only a few opinions. </strong> Only a few artists will ever become recognized. Perhaps artists and consumers need a better marketing structure to circumvent the curators domination over the world of art. Maybe the answer is a few bottles of Cabernet Franc and to buy what pleases us without the necessity of a confirming voice from "the experts". <strong>By the way, the last fund raiser art show at our local private school turned art into $30,000 in two days. Many artists made money. To my knowledge, there were no curators present. Hmmmm!</strong> Forget the tour. The better question is: When has a noted curator last bought a work of art from an artist they recommended? Didn’t someone say, the medium is the message? I think it might have been Marshall McLuhan, not sure. Anyway, “real artist” comments are closest to the real world. Art doesn’t have a value to anyone until it’s bought. I ran a small art gallery for a short period and worked with many artists who I had great respect for and many had hundreds of works

Phil
hidden away in their homes. My resulting perception was that great quantities of worthy art is hidden away because of a lack of marketing. That is the major difficulty within the art world. Only a few curators set values. Only a few opinions. Only a few artists will ever become recognized. Perhaps artists and consumers need a better marketing structure to circumvent the curators domination over the world of art. Maybe the answer is a few bottles of Cabernet Franc and to buy what pleases us without the necessity of a confirming voice from “the experts”. By the way, the last fund raiser art show at our local private school turned art into $30,000 in two days. Many artists made money. To my knowledge, there were no curators present. Hmmmm!

]]> By: Anon in midwes http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188475 Anon in midwes Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:01:12 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188475 Real Artist --Barb the gallery owner knows what she is talking about. I'd like to paint what I want to paint, but no way anymore. Not with two kids in college. I paint what I hope will sell. I'm like a farmer who tries to second guess next year's market. Real Artist is naked. So sanctimonious. Put your art up where your mouth is. Iwont even dignify marilyn's asskissing statement. <strong><em>Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing(TM): Crikey, someone is having a bad day! Er, thanks for stopping by.</em></strong> Real Artist –Barb the gallery owner knows what she is talking about. I’d like to paint what I want to paint, but no way anymore. Not with two kids in college. I paint what I hope will sell. I’m like a farmer who tries to second guess next year’s market. Real Artist is naked. So sanctimonious. Put your art up where your mouth is.

Iwont even dignify marilyn’s asskissing statement.

Note from The Wicked Witch of Publishing(TM): Crikey, someone is having a bad day! Er, thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: Maralyn Rittenour http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188465 Maralyn Rittenour Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:19:08 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188465 Lynne: You've done it again! Dished up a lively, provocative brew of wit and spice.<img src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/Maralyn.jpg" alt="MR" /> I particularly congratulate you on the colorful and yes, artistic layout of this blog. We could all go round and round for ever about what constitutes good art. On the whole "the real artist" made the best general statement. Happily, art in general is alive and well. Never in my longish life have I seen New York museums so full of visitors, and thanks to the recession, those vast and magnificent collections in storage are being brilliantly curated and shown to the public in lieu of expensive, imported, block-busters, e.g. Picasso at MMA opening next week. Lynne:

You’ve done it again! Dished up a lively, provocative brew of wit and spice.MR
I particularly congratulate you on the colorful and yes, artistic layout of this blog.

We could all go round and round for ever about what constitutes good art. On the whole “the real artist” made the best general statement.

Happily, art in general is alive and well. Never in my longish life have I seen New York museums so full of visitors, and thanks to the recession, those vast and magnificent collections in storage are being brilliantly curated and shown to the public in lieu of expensive, imported, block-busters, e.g. Picasso at MMA opening next week.

]]> By: RWE http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188451 RWE Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:19:21 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188451 There is a Haim Mizrahi (should be Chaim Mizrachi) show at Ashawagh, with a reception and music 4-10PM tomorrow. If I recall, he has had some decent food in the past and rather eclectic art. I also read somewhere that there is a presentation, also at Ashawagh, about the dead people of the Springs, at 7:30Pm; how they can have both I do not know, and I do not remember where I saw the notice about the deceased. There is a Haim Mizrahi (should be Chaim Mizrachi) show at Ashawagh, with a reception and music 4-10PM tomorrow. If I recall, he has had some decent food in the past and rather eclectic art. I also read somewhere that there is a presentation, also at Ashawagh, about the dead people of the Springs, at 7:30Pm; how they can have both I do not know, and I do not remember where I saw the notice about the deceased.

]]> By: real artist http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188450 real artist Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:58:00 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188450 Oooooh! To Barb in PA....a little reminder. All or most of the great artists that we know from the past aACTUALLY MADE A LIVING from their art. Sometimes they worked for the Church or a wealthy nobleman. The concept that having to produce to "pay the rent" somehow dimishes an artist is just foul. Someone is buying the art. I beleive in the marketplace, not the made up place. There is too much of an emperor with no clothes aspect to much of the "Accepted" art we see. I believe a child or any uneducated person can walk into a room of art and pick out the best pieces. That is why they are the best. They communicate something worth while or exciting to the viewer. Curators could learn from that! Oooooh! To Barb in PA….a little reminder. All or most of the great artists that we know from the past aACTUALLY MADE A LIVING from their art.
Sometimes they worked for the Church or a wealthy nobleman. The concept that having to produce to “pay the rent” somehow dimishes an artist is just foul.
Someone is buying the art. I beleive in the marketplace, not the made up place. There is too much of an emperor with no clothes aspect to much of the “Accepted” art we see. I believe a child or any uneducated person can walk into a room of art and pick out the best pieces. That is why they are the best. They communicate something worth while or exciting to the viewer. Curators could learn from that!

]]> By: Lynne http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188417 Lynne Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:59:40 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188417 Frank Wilson, former Book Reviewer for <strong>"The Philadelphia Inquirer,"</strong> has linked to this posting at <a href="http://www.booksinq.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Books, Inq</a>. His Web site is the recipient of "The Sunday Times" 100 Best Blogs, 2009, award. <img src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/FrankWilson.jpg" alt="Frank" /> <strong>Jacketflap.com</strong> has also linked to this posting. Followers of Jacketflaps' postings are published authors and illustrators, librarians, agents, editors, publicists, booksellers and publishers. Frank Wilson, former Book Reviewer for “The Philadelphia Inquirer,” has linked to this posting at Books, Inq. His Web site is the recipient of “The Sunday Times” 100 Best Blogs, 2009, award. Frank

Jacketflap.com has also linked to this posting. Followers of Jacketflaps’ postings are published authors and illustrators, librarians, agents, editors, publicists, booksellers and publishers.

]]> By: Barb in PA http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/2010/04/14/art-in-the-hamptons-the-great-the-near-great-the-great-pretenders/#comment-188410 Barb in PA Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:05:52 +0000 http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/?p=488#comment-188410 Dear Lynne, I applaud your article on the artists and their art. As a retired gallery owner and publisher of 15 years, I have dealt with a number of artists. There seems to be a theme in their lives. The Great and Near-Great have great moments of inspiration, but they also have the rent due at the end of the month, and that is when they become too prolific and slide into the great pretenders category. <img src="http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/wp-includes/images/NewHope.jpg" alt="New" /> Barbara New Hope, PA Dear Lynne,
I applaud your article on the artists and their art. As a retired gallery owner and publisher of 15 years, I have dealt with a number of artists. There seems to be a theme in their lives. The Great and Near-Great have great moments of inspiration, but they also have the rent due at the end of the month, and that is when they become too prolific and slide into the great pretenders category.

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Barbara
New Hope, PA

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